Editing Talk:Darkness

== Origins of the Darkness ==

How do we know for certain if the Darkness originated from the Black Garden? The Darkness has even been with the Worm Gods on Fundament. It's still unclear for certainty where the darkness even originated from in the first place. So I strongly suggest it should remain unknown until future content says otherwise. -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 22:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

You make a valid point. Correction has been made. --{{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 22:46, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

== Triangle Ships == 
Again, we don't know for certain where the Darkness originated from so those Triangle ships could be anything until more information in the future shows up. -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 23:41, 09 September 2017 (EDT)

:They responded to the activation of the Light and turned toward it, but beyond that you're right. However they were concept from the beginning of a fifth race, showing those same pyramid ships as a concept for the Taken, so all evidence points to them being what we call the Darkness. --{{User:Dante the Ghost/Sig}} 23:43, 9 September 2017 (EDT)

Oh cool then I stand corrected then! :) -- [[User:Titan66|Titan66]] ([[User talk:Titan66|talk]]) 23:44, 09 September 2017 (EDT)

==Definitely a race of aliens==
I'm kind of objecting to saying flat out that the Darkness is definitely an alien race. We actually don't know that for a fact. I have little doubt that the things shown in the stinger of Destiny 2 is supposed to be the Darkness, but we don't know yet what they were. They might not even be ships. Also, when the Darkness spoke to Oryx in the Books of Sorrow, it referred to itself as "I", not we, so the Darkness appears to be a single individual, not a race. I feel it's too early to say flat out that the Darkness is a race of aliens instead of a single individual. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 12:39, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

True. The Ships may just be a vessel for the Darkness to act through. You can make whatever changes you need. :) [[File:Vex Logo.png|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="Arcmind is an administrator.">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117>Execute long hold for reactivation.</span>]] [[File:Hand of God.png|6px|stick]] [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">AI-COM/ACMD SIGNOFF</span>]]'''</sup> 12:47, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

== Source on Drown.jpg? ==

Title; I've never seen these images in any Destiny material, curious where they're sourced from?

== Shouldn't Use Pyramid Ship Image for the Darkness ==

The [[Pyramids|Pyramid ships]] are the counterpart to the Traveler, in that they are an avatar of their respective paracausal force. The Traveler is of the Light, while the Pyramids are of the Darkness. While the Traveler is near synonymous from the Light, both are distinct. The same logic should be applied to the Darkness and the Pyramids. Additionally, the [[Black Heart]] is a manifestation of the Darkness, yet it is distinct in itself.
We don't use an image of the Traveler on the page for the Light, the same should go for the Pyramid with the Darkness. Unless it's otherwise confirmed that the Darkness itself, the whole paracausal force, is indeed the Pyramids, we shouldn't be using the Pyramid image as the main image for the Darkness.
On that note, besides having a distinct image for the Darkness, representative of it being an almost conceptual entity, the same should be done for the [[Light]] if such an image exists. -- [[User:Jzpelaez|Jzpelaez]] ([[User talk:Jzpelaez|talk]]) 10:56, August 6, 2020 (EDT)
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== Clarification between Darkness actions and Witness actions ==

Now we know that the Witness exists, shouldn't we edit this page to split their actions? We know the Darkness can talk and communicate (when it talks to Oryx through the baby Ogre he makes, and throughout Unveiling in general), but the page posits some actions which are clearly the Witness' to the Darkness (speaking to us in the Black Garden vision, giving Rhulk his abilities, giving Oryx his ability to Take, etc).

I'd do it myself but I'd rather talk about it first because I know someone will probably shoot down my changes because they don't like them, or understand them. The Witness and Darkness are two separate entities for sure, and have a separate list of actions.

== Darkness' sentience ==

Look, the debate on the Darkness actually being sentient or not needs to start happening here, not the page itself. Is there evidence that the Witness made everything up and the Winnower does not actually exist? Yes, there is heavy lore in Inspiral to back this claim up.

At the same time, it's also a massive retcon of lore going back to The Taken King, so we need to start ''citing'' the relevant passages from Inspiral. Saying that the Darkness isn't sentient and removing supporting text isn't citation, it's demanding someone believe when you provide no evidence of your argument. And linking to an out of order transcription from Reddit isn't going to help your argument. If anyone wants Inspiral to be accepted, I suggest someone who has read it writing it on [[Lore:Inspiral]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 11:17, April 6, 2023 (EDT)