Talk:Dredgen Yor

Name
Was Dredgen Yale (or Vale - I can't remember) his original name? Some interesting quotes from the new Rise of Iron Thorn quest!


 * No, that is the name of one of two named "Dredgen fanboys" which revere Yor. Dante the Ghost (talk) 22:42, 16 November 2016 (EST)


 * Dante is correct. Yale or Vale is not Yor's original name.

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Trivia misnomer
"*Dredgen Yor is the first Guardian to have ties to all three in-game Guardian classes. As Rezyl Azzir, he was a Titan; as Dredgen Yor, it is commonly accept he is a Hunter through various inferences from Hunter artifacts; and last the Thorn Ghost Fragment cards feature a Warlock wielding Thorn. Whether or not he embodied each class as Yor remains to be seen."

I really do apologise to the kind user who added this trivia with the best intentions, but I must state that this is bad and non-encyclopedic misinformation. Rezyl Azzir was a Titan, correct. There are a handful of Hunter items that reference Dredgen Yor, true. Does that mean Yor was a Hunter? Absolutely not. It's caused common misconception for sure, but it is what it is. There are other artefacts in the game that appear to cross classes too, so this is not unique and unfounded. And the Hunter Rose artefact doesn't even have anything to do with Azzir's actual handcannon Rose... it's a flower-looking thing more akin to a Shadows of Yor style tribute. The Grimoire clearly has a Warlock holding the Thorn, however take note that it is the same image used throughout the Thorn Grimoire, and in both the Thorn Grimoire and the game Destiny there has been more than one wielder of the Thorn. I would like to suggest this trivia to be re-written please. SUPER-RED-FALCON (talk) 22:49, 24 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Good eye, there, Falcon. I'll make the necessary corrections as I originally penned that. Perhaps that'll end the "class warfare". I must say I didn't realize I was fueling a fannon debate. -- 23:07, 24 April 2017 (EDT)


 * You are clearly a gentleman and a scholar. I thank you for being proactive, and for your contributions to the Destiny community. SUPER-RED-FALCON (talk) 23:04, 28 April 2017 (EDT)


 * No problem. :) -- 21:33, 29 April 2017 (EDT)

Mysteries
The subject as to how Rezyl Azzir would become Dredgen Yor has become one of the most intriguing pieces of Destiny's lore to many fans. With Destiny's final DLC's and major updates before the release of Destiny 2, several new Dead Ghosts provided new insight into his life and some of the events that marked his fall. As it often is, finding such answers often leads to many new questions and theories.

One very interesting fragment appears in a conversation Yor is having with a soon to be victim where he brags about "stealing the dark", but then immediately wonders out loud if it instead stole him. There is a subtle, but clear implication that the Darkness has consumed him< />--likely during his attempts to take what he thought he needed from the Darkness. Yet, it's what Yor says immediately after is most intriguing:

"'Either way, here we are. And I'm hungry. Its hungry. You have no Light beyond the spark of your pathetic life. But a spark is something."

It wasn't until the release of The Taken King and the Books of Sorrow that we are finally given a whole new insight to this cryptic part of his monologue. In the Books of Sorrow, fragments of which are recovered on the Taken King's Dreadnaught, provides the history the Hive's encounter and pact with the Darkness. For the Hive to draw upon the powers of the Darkness and to gain immortality, they must consume a worm larva, which itself acts as a mediator between the Hive and the Darkness. Although this pact seemed fair in the beginning, in the later Books of Sorrow, we see the sinister twist that wasn't mentioned when the Worms first offered their immortality and powers to the Hive--that their desire for more was never quenched. As Hive warriors became stronger and more powerful from the Darkness, their worms living inside them became hungrier for more death, more Light to devour. The Hive's ruthlessness was driven by no factor more than the insatiable hunger of the worms that lived within them. If they ran out of Light to consume, if the warriors stopped killing ever greater numbers, the worm would begin to eat away at them and their soul.

Suddenly in light of this new information of the Hive, Yor's actions and his fall from the Light become much clearer. Although it has not been confirmed, a number of fans believe that Dredgen Yor may have encountered a worm or observed the Hive's practice with them and taken one for himself. However, the mention of "shadows' whispers" seems to indicate that the Darkness was tempting Yor to seek it out. This would explain Yor's increasingly wanton killing of people, which later shifted from marginally bad guys to outright innocent victims, and eventually, the destruction of an entire town, Palamon. His behavior matches perfectly with that of the Hive's early history. The Darkness hungers to consume the Light, and it is his last few sentences that really add weight to this theory. He was becoming increasingly desperate to feed his worm. It is basically as if he stated it may be just a spark of Light, but that's something to satiate its hunger; and I'm desperate to escape this hunger.

Dredgen Yor's fall to Darkness may have originally started with the adornment of his weapon, Rose, with a piece from the fallen Hive Knight--a war trophy that was driven ultimately by his pride. Unbeknownst to him at the time, the Knight's armor, which is stated as being "living armor that was one with the beast", was still alive with Hive sorcery--its connection to the Darkness. Although it was originally believed that Rose was re-forged with the Darkness to become Thorn, the last few Dead Ghosts added to Destiny seem instead to indicate that this adornment of Hive Knight armor corrupted Rose, which in turn, corrupted its wielder, Rezyl Azzir. Even during the exotic quest to build a replica Thorn, guardians are warned several times of the dangerous power the weapon contains. Later in the quest, the player must first "cleanse the Darkness" before the weapon is safe to handle or wield. If so much care must be taken during the construction of a replica, then what horrors must the original unleashed upon its victims and upon its own wielder. With the most recent Dead Ghosts and fragments, it is implied that Rezyl Azzir did not fall to the Darkness and become Dredgen Yor, and re-forge Rose. Instead, it appears that Rezyl Azzir added Hive armor to Rose, unbeknownst to him still alive with Hive "magic", which slowly corrupted Rose to become a much more sinister weapon. Rose's corruption began to corrupt Rezyl Azzir, twisting him into a more cruel and ruthless person. The whispers that would lead him into darkness, are implied to have started in the Knight armor he affixed to Rose.